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johnnymax

07-24-2010, 08:37 AM

I have a question. I am licensed with the TTB and TABC (Texas) for my Meadery (Winery license basicly). Does anybody know if it is possible to own and opperate a brewery at the same time if they are in different buildings. I hired an alcohol licensing agency to investigate, and if all is clear I will have them pursue licensing my brewery.

Any know roadblocks?

johnnymax

07-26-2010, 12:08 PM

millerag

07-26-2010, 01:19 PM

Why don't you call the TTB?

beerking1

07-26-2010, 03:24 PM

well, I just got off the phone with the guy from craftbeerlocator.com and he said there is a Meadery in Michigan that is getting a Brewery license also (but is not licensed yet, so that don't help.) I was surprised of the zero response here. I guess nobody owns both a meadery (winery) and a brewery. Hey, what about DogFish Head, I know he has a distillery also? If I can just find out if it is legally allows, I will instruct the licensing agency to proceed. Any leads or help is appreciated.

Distillery and winery are very different. It is my understanding (backed up by concurrence of Dave from Redstone) that Federal Law prohibits malt on the grounds of a winery...and also classifies a Meadery as a winery. :(

meadman

07-26-2010, 05:59 PM

I used to have a winery(meadary) license in Montana, and was in the process of getting a distilling license just as the economy went to hell. According to the TTB, one person may hold a brewery, winery, and distillery license if there are in their own separate buildings, or, as in a strip mall-like building case, each license suite must be physically separated by permanent walls.
I was told this by 3 different agents at TTB, so you can take that as you like.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!

johnnymax

07-26-2010, 07:29 PM

LOL, well, after 15 months fighting my way through the Winery licensing, I just hired a licensing agency to do it all for me this time. But I was told the same thing as far as divided designated areas, because malt is not allowed on the winery premises. Once the licensing agency is certain for both State and Fed it will be flank speed ahead on the licensing. I have had the State tell me it was legal, but I need to be sure before I start sinking money on surety bonds, etc.
I figured that if I could talk to somebody who has both a winery and a brewery that would be proof. The only problem I can think of is the fact that the winery is also retail license to sell wine. Breweries in Texas are on the 3 tier system. No roadblocks yet. The wife it managing the winery and I the Brewery.

thanks for your response.

brewposse

07-26-2010, 10:15 PM

Does anyone have any solid advice when it comes to opening a brewpub. Right now my partner and I are all over the place with ideas and lack structure. So far restaurantowner.com has been great but we want real world advice. We have both worked in the restaurant industry for many years but starting from scratch is a whole new ballgame. Any help ,even minor, would be great. Hope to hear a flood of ideas. No thought is to small!
Thanks and cheers!

Vendetta

07-26-2010, 11:48 PM

Brewpossee, if you take a look around here, you might find that most of your questions have already been answered.

johnnymax

07-27-2010, 05:15 AM

I found this artcle on Wineries that Brew, so it is legal with th TTB
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3469/is_12_50/ai_54455469/

kugeman

07-27-2010, 10:19 AM

You could try and contact Wagner Valley in Lodi, New York. They have both a winery and brewery.

anda

07-27-2010, 11:17 AM

it is legal with the TTB - you just need a separate license - I think Texas also allows it

The trickier part will be dealing with the state rather than the TTB. Many states don't allow the same group of owners to own more than one alcohol manufacturing business

Good luck!

Anda
www.legalbrewing.com